New QuickBus Hearings!!

[79MetroExtraMD]

The designation of a current "school tripper" operation to a route number [ex: 18] and presumably the creation of a public timetable, as well, could be to comply with FTA regulations. SEPTA has numbered its "school routes" into a 400 series after initially issuing timetables advising such trips as "Specially Routed Service", and then being criticized by the "Feds" for doing so.

Consequently, around 1989 SEPTA numbered what were essentially "school trippers" as "400" routes. The public hand issues [these routes are not posted upon the SEPTA website] are devoid of any reference to schools. This is also true of selected trips which appear within regular line timetables.

In studying the MTA 23 Route timetable, it is noted apparent "school trippers" are shown as "Supplemental Service". No times are listed, and the routings shown appear to be instructions for the guidance of operators.

In the case of WMATA, they have those school routes that show the name of the school but are outside of regular service.
I remember the 46-49 school tripper schedules that came out in the late 90s which provided times for these trips. After 2000 or so, they got absorbed into regular service. The only way to get the times and such of the trippers is from the GTFS data MTA provides (albeit I still don't have the current feed data).

[OwlGreene]

I'm just a bit confused about this Rt. 25 thing. I understand that it was "given" to the streetcar museum a while ago, but being that 1) the Baltimore Streetcar Museum's operations have NOTHING to do with MTA Maryland's, and 2) 98% of Baltimoreans have never been to the museum, let alone know how to get down there, why is it at all necessary to continue this past-century practice to affect new millenium issues. Actually naming the proposed 47 "45" just makes more sense. Common sense over common practice, folks. And the proposed "18" line need not be "18", but something further down the line, like "78" or something. Particularly since it's NW Baltimore, and most of that part of town's routes are higher than 50.

[Nabinut]

MTA and the BSM have a lot more to do with each other than you think. There have been several events of recent past that both have participated in including a Bus Bash to take place for the cancelled Roadeo. Besides MTA has a lot more numbers at their disposal, why worry about this one?

[AdamFlx3204]

Actually naming the proposed 47 "45" just makes more sense. Common sense over common practice, folks.

Indeed. Guess the one person in scheduling whose number all the trainers have?!?

Guess who will be having to get sidetracked and distracted in the middle of trying to solve any number of challenging intricate puzzles to answer the gripe calls for this petty matter?

Sure, "45" would be logical for the 15 or even the 5, but there's also the matter of choosing one's battles wisely, and it wasn't worth the headache when numerous other designators are available.

The only designator that I got to choose was "30," the rest were done by a boss of mine, but I did weigh in not to pick 45 for the 15.

[HwyHaulier]

Adam -

Hmmm... Thanks! I'm somewhat perplexed over questioning use of the "25" designator by BSM. Where's the hurt? Should one
read the history, there is a basis for use of the "25" number by BSM... For those of us who have become Irascible Old Coots
Emeritus, some of us have not been happy over this whole business: Constantly losing the unique features that make Baltimore
its own place. Of course, if current fashion demands that there is more "Free Lunch" funding to those jurisdictions which strive
to appear as some sort of bland puree of a place...

Bah! And Henry Louis Mencken doesn't write for THE SUN anymore, either...

.........................Vern................

[NGOrion]

The bus stops for the 46 and 47 are already up. Kind of early though. Also, I didn't see any stops for the 30 while downtown. Is that going to be implemented?

[79MetroExtraMD]

The bus stops for the 46 and 47 are already up. Kind of early though. Also, I didn't see any stops for the 30 while downtown. Is that going to be implemented?

Wow. This early. i guess it helps to be early but it kinda confuses folks waiting for a bus that isn't going to show up until late August.

[Dan Lawrence]

I'm just a bit confused about this Rt. 25 thing. I understand that it was "given" to the streetcar museum a while ago, but being that 1) the Baltimore Streetcar Museum's operations have NOTHING to do with MTA Maryland's, and 2) 98% of Baltimoreans have never been to the museum, let alone know how to get down there, why is it at all necessary to continue this past-century practice to affect new millenium issues. Actually naming the proposed 47 "45" just makes more sense. Common sense over common practice, folks. And the proposed "18" line need not be "18", but something further down the line, like "78" or something. Particularly since it's NW Baltimore, and most of that part of town's routes are higher than 50.

Walter Addison, who was the MTA Administrator in 1970, gave the route number 25 in perpetuity. It's ours and it will always ours.

[Shawn S]

I noticed the sign for the 47 also last night at Poplar Grove and Edmondson. I thought it was kinda early for the signs to be put up since the launch is about a month away. Has it been published where the stops go for both upcoming Quickbus routes?

[NGOrion]

I just looked at the new map for the 33 line http://mta.maryland.gov/services/bus/ro ... VER2-2.pdf , and there is a 38 line listed on Greenspring Ave, next to the 1. Upcoming school route maybe? I've also noticed that the school trips are now included in the timetable.

[AdamFlx3204]

I was wondering if anyone would catch that. Yep, its a new school route to replace both the 15 and 23 that served Poly-Western last year. FTA likes school trips to be close to their native lines, and Poly-Western is nowhere near the 15 or 23. If you want to know why "38" was chosen, simply look at the original routes it derives from and add them together.

[mtabusdriver1985]

Indeed, in doing the 15 everyday I see the 47 stops already done and in place. I'll already know the 47 before the thing comes into existence, LOL! I believe me and Mr. Paul already had a convo about the 47 more appropriately being named the 45 like the 8 and 48. Then there was the issue of the number being retired.

[OwlGreene]

A saturday excursion got me on the eastbound 10 line. I saw that the numbers for the new 46 were up on the western side, and the new 30 on the east side. For now, 6 is still on the 20 stops, and 30 hasn't yet been posted.

[NGOrion]

So the 30 and 46 are going to be operated by Bush and Eastern, and the 47 is going to be operated by Bush and Kirk?

[79MetroExtraMD]

I was wondering if anyone would catch that. Yep, its a new school route to replace both the 15 and 23 that served Poly-Western last year. FTA likes school trips to be close to their native lines, and Poly-Western is nowhere near the 15 or 23. If you want to know why "38" was chosen, simply look at the original routes it derives from and add them together.

Oh. I didn't catch that too. I did see that the Poly trips have been included in the schedule. So what will happen with the Patterson trippers on the 13 and the Dubois ones on the 3, 8, 19, and 36? I know Boston has their trippers close to the regular routes but have a few that have a four digit route (i.e 9101, 9507) that supplement a few routes. Also, as for DC, do their school routes (D31-34, W45-47,etc) fall under the FTA ruling about school service?